Danny Santos II – Photographer in Singapore

June23rd

72 Comments

2 girls running in the rain by Danny Santos

A few days ago, I got an email from friend and blogger David Lee Tong saying someone just accused me of photo theft! On the comments section of his blog where he feature me in the past, this guy claimed I stole his friend’s photo – that of 2 girls running barefoot in the rain. He further stated that his friend has the original raw file to prove it, ending with the words “danny is a copycat.”

I was shocked beyond belief.

A million thoughts ran through my head. Who is doing this and why? How far are they willing to go with this accusation? How did they get a hold of the RAW file? How will this affect my cred as a photographer? I’ve worked 3 years to create a folio that I can be at least proud of… and the last thing I needed was a false allegation like this. Needless to say, I was an emotional mess.

But I gathered myself and started to plan how to handle this intelligently. I knew that the burden of proof lay on the accuser. When I challenged him on this, the best he could do was say “I know who took it, i know when and where it was taken… i know what was the “event” in Orchard on that day.. Forgodsake this photo is saved on two PCs in my home! i even had it as my office PC wallpaper during that time! It’s on my facebook page, my friendster page.. all because i love this shot which was taken by someone I know very well.” I was amazed how he seemed to really believe what he was saying.

I knew this wasn’t proof enough, so I gathered my own proof that I could slap in their faces. The photo in question was taken from a series of consecutive frames. As you can see below, the marked frame was the photo I went with. These are unprocessed and cropped for a closer look.

Contacts of 2 girls running barefoot by Danny Santos

Even if they had the RAW file, I highly doubt they had these ‘before and after’ frames because I’ve never released this anywhere on the net before. When I posted this as my proof, the accuser lay silent.

Still restless, I needed to know who these guys were and get proper closure to the issue. Otherwise, it could still be a disaster waiting to happen. The accuser claims his friend took the shot. So his friend probably has it somewhere up on the net. I put on my thinking cap in search of my stolen photo. Using the accuser’s semi-pseudonym as a starting point, I googled my way from one Flickr site to another, surfing through blogs, portfolio sites, and Facebook pages. In a matter of minutes, I’ve made a game-changing discovery. I eventually honed in on one of the accuser’s friends, who happened to be a photography hobbyist. While quickly scanning through her Facebook page, I came across a peculiar album. It was named… wait for it… “stolen shots!”

I thought: wouldn’t it be funny if I uncovered my photo in THIS album?

I did… and it was.

What an apt name :)

In addition to her Facebook page, the suspect also posted the photo on her portfolio site in the Aminus3 online community. In both sites, she masqueraded my photo as one of her own, receiving comments and praises for MY WORK. But wait… there’s more. With the beauty of Google and Tineye, and the acumen of David and my girlfriend Kathleen, we’ve further uncovered that 2 other photos in the album were stolen as well, from 2 different Flickr accounts! We’ve found a pattern. The perpetrator is busted.

I sent her a message to stop claiming the photo as hers because “you know as well as I do that you DID NOT take that photograph.” She responded back saying she actually took that photograph… that we probably captured the same shot at the same time. I shook my head in disbelief. How can 2 people take the exact same shot at the exact same time… and process it exactly the same way?? I continued to convince her to come clean so we can end this dispute. During this time, she deleted her “stolen shots!” album in Facebook as well as her portfolio site in Animus3. Good thing I took screenshots of everything… just for safe-keeping :)

Eventually, she came clean and issued a public apology.

In the end, it was a simple case of a girl wanting to impress her peers by nonchalantly stealing other people’s work… and the boy fighting for the girl’s rights without knowing any better. It was an exhausting couple of days for me. Somebody stole my photo and called me a copycat. What a weird experience.

Throughout this ordeal, I’m reminded of a couple of things:

1) Never delete your RAW files… even the crappy ones.
2) Google is your best friend.
3) Taking credit for other people’s work will never work out for you.

72 Comments

  • Comment by Thorpeland — June 23, 2011 @ 2:41 pm

    Wow. Just unbelievable she even had a gallery called “Stolen shots”! This is most photogs worst nightmare. And to me, its more reinforcement to continue using a watermark. It might detract from the photo a bit. But idiots like this couldn’t pull off claiming its their work.
    Im glad you were able to google your way to victory. Im also glad you blogged about it to share the experience. Many will learn from this.

  • Comment by Wil — June 23, 2011 @ 2:41 pm

    Ahahahaha!!! The best story I have heard so far about pretentious photographers. Sleep easy now since in your heart of hearts you know that you made that photograph = ) Big fan of your work = )

  • Comment by Meriem — June 23, 2011 @ 2:46 pm

    I’m shocked! But to say the truth if I would of seen this shot somewhere,it would of made me think of you.

  • Comment by Manu — June 23, 2011 @ 2:50 pm

    Very interesting article, I would add a fourth point, which is “having a personal blog related to your portfolio where you can express yourself”.
    I only have a flickr and no place of expression in case of “robbery”

    That said, adding a watermark or a small stamp with your name on the picture might be useful before unleashing pictures on the www.

    Keep on the good work Danny, i won’t stole any of your pictures ever, but i might use the feeling you have for street shots as an inspiration :)

  • Comment by Melinda — June 23, 2011 @ 2:50 pm

    Good for you! I would have been fuming!! I knew it though~ I said on your comment area when you posted the RAW that it was probably a guy who was defending a girl but he didn’t realize she had actually stolen the photo and she was making it seem like she actually photographed it.

    I’m happy it ended well for you

  • Comment by Claudia Del Rivero — June 23, 2011 @ 2:53 pm

    Oh My! quite an experience! fortunatelly everything is now fine, unfortunatelly, people like this girl are over the whole world, don´t ever let these kind of experiences separate you from what you do, i love your work, you have had inspired me in my shoots and all the new proyects I have now in mind.
    Remember that good things happend to good people!
    take care ;)

  • Comment by Ernst — June 23, 2011 @ 2:55 pm

    she captured the shot at the same time and at the same place as yours… wow… lol… couldn’t help but laugh…

  • Comment by Anne — June 23, 2011 @ 2:58 pm

    it is indeed a “STOLEN” shots.. tsk tsk tsk..
    Thank God you trace the real culprit..

  • Comment by GoOz — June 23, 2011 @ 2:59 pm

    I’m glad it endend well for you.
    I always thought real piracy, the worst one, was taking credit for someone else’s work and not just spreading and sharing without authorisation.
    Not the very first time i hear that kind of story, but i’m still happy for you and your safe authorship :)

  • Comment by Dogg — June 23, 2011 @ 3:01 pm

    hey man, glad you got that all sorted out and can relax a little. Cant believe someone would stoop so low but then again the way the world is these days it doesnt suprise me too much..

    I would send the details you found over to 4-chan and let them sort it out :p

    only joking, kharma smiles well upon the honest. wich is why you got a good result. You handled this like a champ!

  • Comment by Albatross — June 23, 2011 @ 3:07 pm

    Great story! A couple of points:

    Saving your RAW files is good, if you’ve got that kind of storage. I’ve got a 2 TB raid5 array for my photos, and even that will fill if I save all my RAW files.

    Another tip is to use steganography software in order embed your copyright information INTO your pictures. Steganography can take the lowest-order bits in an image and shift them one binary value, e.g. shifting color #FFA to #FFB, to embed information within the image in a manner that’s invisible to the naked eye. Then if someone uses your image, even if they flop it or crop it, that information is still in there (depending on the software and the degree of photo processing – eventually it CAN be destroyed, but by then the photo may be significantly altered.)

    It’s not perfect, nothing is, but in this case it would have been fun to say “Odd, when I run YOUR picture through this steganography software, why, my name appears in it!”

  • Comment by RoMie — June 23, 2011 @ 3:08 pm

    Really a shock to me also, Danny…

    You’re not alone coz it happened to me many times… but never I was called a ‘copycat’ of my own photo… that’s the worse accusation and really a nightmare!

    One of the photographer who stole my photo was from US who even posted it in her port as her own photo… she put her own watermark on my photo but… but… she forgot to remove my watermark which is still visible in naked eyes! So, I emailed her and asked her to remove that photo in her site… and was told that there’s a mixed up of photos (coz I was told by other photographers that she always stole from other photogs’ photos).. she eventually removed the photo… otherwise, she will slap with copyright infringement…

  • Comment by Simon — June 23, 2011 @ 3:09 pm

    Wow… un-fricking-believable. Where is the satisfaction in praise for something that truly isn’t yours.

    Well, at least now it is all sorted you can look back at it and just be flattered.

    Great advice on keeping all raw files too.

  • Comment by Jiri — June 23, 2011 @ 3:12 pm

    Danny, I really appreciate your work and and I like the way you handled the whole situation. The sad news is, this is the price you’ll be paying for being famous. As you see, because of some teenage boy’s and girl’s stupidity you vere deeply shocked, you may have seen your career in ruins and it took a lot of your time, energy and skill to recover.

    I am not saying you shouldn’t defend yourself. You just have to get used to it, because such things happen, but you better don’t take it too seriously. As once stated in @shitmydadsays on twitter: ‘Don’t focus on the one guy who hates you. You don’t go to the park and set your picnic down next to the only pile of dog shit.’ I wish you peace.

  • Comment by DforDerivative — June 23, 2011 @ 3:34 pm

    Wow Danny, I don’t know if I could have handled myself in quite as calm and professional a manner as you did. You did really well and I’m glad it’s all sorted. It’s just a shame that you hear about this sort of thing so often. I follow lots of photographers on twitter and it seems like every day one of them is complaining about exactly the same thing.

    I guess I’m lucky that it won’t ever happen to me – I’m far too rubbish to have people want to steal my shots :)

  • Comment by schallkoerper ronald) — June 23, 2011 @ 3:50 pm

    i would`ve been shocked too but after that its quite a relief to see how stupid they were…a public album called “Stolen Shots” !

  • Comment by Guy Boden — June 23, 2011 @ 3:59 pm

    Congrats on tracking her down and getting her to admit her guilt! I had something similar happen a while back, photos I took in 2007 used on a ‘Professional Photographers’ myspace page to promote their own work. When confronted they denied they were using my images to promote themselves and said they just put them up there becuase they liked them! Anyway, they made all their online pages private since and maybe they are still using them but 1) they were frtom 2007 and I feel I have moved on since then and 2) what’s the point of a ‘Professional’ photographers homepage being private ;)

  • Comment by David Tong — June 23, 2011 @ 4:06 pm

    You guys wouldn’t believe how calm Danny was especially when addressing the perpetrator… I would’ve brought the roof down and slammed both the accuser and the thief endlessly LOL…

    The funny thing still is, if you check out the comments in my interview with Danny (site link, scroll down to the comments), there are people who insist that ‘everyone’s happy’ after the apology and keeps insisting that the case is closed and it’s no big deal…

    You guys should’ve seen the praises and admiration the perpetrator received for those three stolen photos (yet not much on her own ‘real’ photos) – and how she accept and explain WHY those photos were great.

    With the bike bokeh photo that she stole, she even said it was taken with a Nikkor kit lens, when the DOF and bokeh pattern clearly shows otherwise.

    weak…

    Dave Tong

  • Comment by jina — June 23, 2011 @ 4:16 pm

    the truth prevails!!

  • Comment by Kopinut — June 23, 2011 @ 4:34 pm

    Happy to know u busted these people… The nerve of them but u have shown that u r above all that. :) U know your fans support u…

  • Comment by Chris Yakimov — June 23, 2011 @ 4:40 pm

    Danny, congrats on figuring it all out. And more congrats for this public, dignified, forgiving and compassionate summary of it all. It’s valuable to read through the details and method you undertook, but equally valuable to be reminded how to approach these things with some humanity.

  • Comment by Fleecircus — June 23, 2011 @ 4:46 pm

    can you email me “their” facebook site?
    Thanks!

  • Comment by Michael — June 23, 2011 @ 4:55 pm

    I would notify Facebook and Flickr of her behavior. She is clearly violating their terms of service and should have her accounts revoked. If she’s not above stealing other peoples copyrighted works who knows what other disingenuous activities she’s up to.

  • Comment by D. Travis North — June 23, 2011 @ 5:17 pm

    This is all too common of a story…I’m glad it worked out for you. But it doesn’t for everyone. You offer some great advice at the end of the article. But the takeaway is that this stuff does happen, and you can never be to careful. Fight your naive urges and realize that if you’re any good (and Danny certainly is), your stuff will one day be stolen. There’s no “if”…only a “when”.

    Meanwhile, Danny…this just so happens to be one of my absolute favorites of your shots.

  • Comment by drese david — June 23, 2011 @ 6:37 pm

    People are strange some times ^^

    just be flattered ;) she looooves your job :p

  • Comment by Pat — June 23, 2011 @ 7:38 pm

    This is the best part to keep in mine, someone was in love with your work. Even if these people are so boring sometimes.

  • Comment by Allan Gascon — June 23, 2011 @ 7:42 pm

    Sue her ass Danny. I can’t stand fakers and on top of that making it look like she’s the victim.

  • Comment by cliffcphoto — June 23, 2011 @ 10:35 pm

    Can u state the FB page these stolen shots are in so we can slander someone? JK but i’d be curious to see what’s on there =/.

  • Comment by nicolodeon — June 23, 2011 @ 11:12 pm

    Congrats on tracking that poser down, Danny then shooting her down. David Tong (also a friend of mine) made us aware of this “crime” against you.

  • Comment by Louis Nicholas Retnam — June 24, 2011 @ 12:15 am

    Hey Danny,
    great that you managed to capture the person and she finally adimited it. But frankly speaking, how low can one go. This is totally absolutely disgusting. I totally understand how you feel.

    Cheers and god bless..
    Keep on taking great photos yeah :)

  • Comment by Angie — June 24, 2011 @ 1:17 am

    Wow! I’m so happy you were able to uncover the crime that was being committed, stop it, and put your mind at ease!

  • Comment by Rifat Attamimi — June 24, 2011 @ 2:57 am

    ewww goshhh that`s disgusting,please sue her,she must regret it and it will be a great lesson for others stealer too >.<

    Glad to hear it was a happy ending :)

  • Comment by surfnux — June 24, 2011 @ 3:33 am

    Art is indeed brings envy to some. So hard that they have to do this, and claim its theirs and saying other people were the thief. Shameful. Can’t believe its a She who did this as well.

  • Comment by Mayank — June 24, 2011 @ 5:16 am

    Well done Danny. Its good that you pursued it to end. Unfortunately once you publish images online there is no way theft can be completely eliminated. I have so many cases that thefts are being done by not just young ignorant folks but also by large companies equally. Thats the bane of digital media.

  • Comment by Karl — June 24, 2011 @ 5:34 am

    She is an admin of a “Photography” group called “Shifters”. Try to look it up on Facebook. I joined but they decided to remove and block me cause you know… I was looking for justice! LOL

    I get the feeling that they’re jealous of Danny. :D Someone actually posted “Di ko na idol si Danny, masyadong sikat na” (“Danny’s not my Idol anymore, he is too popular already”). Envious much? hahaha

    Filipino Crab Mentality.

  • Comment by Pierre Corbel — June 24, 2011 @ 9:02 am

    One of the worst things in this kind of stories is that these peoples are not “bad” people. There are just very stupid people looking for some self estime…

    Anyway, I search since a long time interesting (from my point of view) photo blog, I very like articles.

  • Comment by Joseph — June 24, 2011 @ 11:23 am

    OMG! That is such a shame, how could you be so proud displaying another photographers
    work as yours. I just can’t stop shaking my head, it just such a rotten thing to do.
    Thanks for posting the whole situation.

  • Comment by JasonSMoore — June 25, 2011 @ 4:48 pm

    thanks for sharing this story. passing off someone’s photos are your own is beyond weak! glad this was resolved. all the photos on my flickr stream are mine :)

  • Comment by Shahzad Khan — June 26, 2011 @ 1:20 am

    I m so glad this got settled.

  • Comment by Zen Roongreangsri — June 29, 2011 @ 2:01 pm

    Glad you got it all sorted, Danny. Keep up the great work and don’t let this experience stop you from sharing great tips and images!

  • Comment by pangki — June 30, 2011 @ 10:08 am

    Thank you for sharing the story, Danny.

  • Comment by Krunal — July 1, 2011 @ 5:24 am

    I’m glad she didn’t tried to make some money out of your pictures, that would’ve been worse.

  • Comment by Markus Hartel — July 4, 2011 @ 6:38 am

    something similar happened to me a few years back. checking the statistics of my website, I noticed a spike in traffic from a forum in South Africa. Curious to know what’s going on, I signed up for the forum and found the long thread linking to my site… hot-linked pictures, nonetheless!

    some dude claimed my work as his from a recent trip to NYC, but also, most of my images are watermarked!

    fortunately the forum owner understood my upset and cleaned up the situation by banning the thief from his forums and removed the thread with my pics.

    lessons learned:
    - always watermark your stuff for the web, even though it is somewhat distracting
    - check your website statistics often, you’d be surprised where traffic is coming from.

    thank you for sharing your investigation, Danny
    tineye is an excellent tool to find duplicate image content

  • Comment by Danny St — July 4, 2011 @ 7:10 am

    @Markus: Thank you so much for dropping by, Markus. I’m a big fan of your NY work since I started shooting in the streets. And thanks for sharing your experience as well. It’s funny that your guy used hot-linked watermarked pictures! Can’t imagine how they expect to get away with it :)

    Anyway, thank you for the lessons learned. I still have my reservations about the watermarks, but I guess I really have to consider doing this. And I agree, checking your website statistics is definitely a must. I use Google Analytics and it’s a beauty.

  • Comment by ramli — July 9, 2011 @ 11:26 am

    Definitely she’s not a photographer. A real photog appreciate others work of arts and never admit any work which are not theirs, such person will pay their price in the photographers communitities. So rest asure he/she will black listed !!!

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  • Comment by martin nieto — July 11, 2011 @ 6:46 pm

    very funny!!

  • Comment by bazli — July 12, 2011 @ 7:51 am

    Wow I can’t believe people like these two actually exist in this world. And after much reading on the subject, I just have come to realize, today, that people actually do steal other people’s photos and claim it as their own. As bad as being bold enough to submit stolen photos to enter photo competitions. Unbelievable.
    But Danny you’ve handled to whole thing very well and showed all of us of the correct action to be taken when confronted with similar situations.

  • Comment by Vishal — July 14, 2011 @ 5:16 am

    well done!
    :)

  • Comment by Ferad Zyulkyarov — July 14, 2011 @ 11:20 am

    I am happy for the good end of your story. It’s been a clear plagiarism. The community should be critical and by no means allow such things to happen!

  • Comment by ajsysdev — July 14, 2011 @ 9:31 pm

    @Danny Santos, you are AMAZING! Just shake it off, that girl is total muff cabbage. Seriously.

  • Comment by Mikey — July 15, 2011 @ 5:11 am

    I agree with Meriem and others. You have such a distinctive style that I would immediately have thought of you – nice detective work! Happy shooting, Mikey

  • Comment by quobetah — July 18, 2011 @ 1:53 pm

    Hayop yun! ;P

  • Comment by Antonio Fidalgo — July 18, 2011 @ 11:00 pm

    Incredible story. I’m glad You have solved the problem.

  • Comment by Luca Montanari — July 21, 2011 @ 1:23 pm

    This is a very good history! Now I’m afraid for my photos on flickr… but I think that nobody will never steal nothing of mine since there are not even near yours.

  • Comment by Charlie Kirk — July 23, 2011 @ 2:42 am

    Typical. Much like stealing the style of someone already famous for it.

  • Comment by Indrajeet — July 23, 2011 @ 8:46 am

    I believe you should start copyrighting your work from now on

  • Comment by romz — July 28, 2011 @ 11:23 pm

    Nice work Danny. Serves them right and hopefully that will teach some photo robbers on the net. Goes to show how good your images are that these thieves are willing to do nasty things just to get credit from somebody’s work. Just keep up the good work and continue inspiring us :)

  • Comment by Jim — July 29, 2011 @ 2:25 am

    I have this strange feeling that this friend of hers might not even know what a RAW file is :D

  • Comment by Alio — July 29, 2011 @ 12:52 pm

    I´ll never understand people taking credit for other´s work. Every good comment about it should make them feel like shit, I guess.

  • Comment by KT Gravatt — August 4, 2011 @ 1:57 am

    I say off with there heads

  • Comment by Heather UpChurch — September 5, 2011 @ 2:18 am

    I concur, KT! Good for you, Danny! Let’s teach creative thieves a lesson! :)

    On a completely unrelated note… I would LOVE to paint one of your rain photos! I can’t decide between the happy lady and the silhouette! Maybe, with your permission of course, I will have to paint them both! Let me know what you think! :) Heather

  • Comment by Danny Santos II — September 5, 2011 @ 2:25 am

    @Heather: I would really love that :) If you do, please send me a photo of the final output coz I’d love to share it in my facebook page :D

  • Comment by allangellido — September 7, 2011 @ 2:58 pm

    One other suggestion, disable the right-click capability on the images of this site so that people can’t “save as” your images.

  • Comment by Choo Meng Foo — October 11, 2011 @ 3:15 am

    Wow, interesting story, I definitely agree with you, no 2 pictures can be taken exactly the same by different people. She is ludicrous. Great shots on your site.

  • Comment by Jenny — October 17, 2011 @ 1:03 am

    Wow, how awful! Glad you got it resolved easily! I am not a professional but do hope to someday get that far! Great advice at the end of the post. I have started to put some watermark on my photos using Picasa for just this reason. Like I said I am not professional but I still do not want others claiming my stuff as their own!

  • Comment by mike dooley — October 17, 2011 @ 1:06 am

    Good for you for tracking this down and getting to the bottom of this! It is amazing how arrogant some people can be! To the best of my knowledge noone has ever stolen any of my work, and no one has accused me of stealing anything! I would

  • Comment by Isaac — October 26, 2011 @ 9:46 pm

    I could spit on people’s faces who steal others’ work.

  • Comment by to2camba — November 4, 2011 @ 3:04 pm

    you are not just a great photographer but somebody who has the guts an big heart to find the truth no matter it takes. thanks for sharing this story. learned a lot from it.

  • Comment by Peggy — December 7, 2011 @ 8:26 pm

    Can’t believe some people. Still denying, regardless all the facts. Thanks for the article. I’m sharing this with photo groups I belong to and hope others will be more vigilant too…

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  • Comment by Kevin — March 5, 2012 @ 11:46 am

    I am sorry that you had to go through all that. But your post makes for a really compelling case. Hopefully no long term damage done.

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